The Real Seperation Of Church And State
I wrote this is a forum at Renew America and since I feel that the points it raises are important I am repeating it here.
Arthur Martin wrote:
There has always been a separation between church and state. The church handled the spiritual while the state handled temporal matters. They would have situations when a conflict of interests occurred such as when the states moves to discipline heretics. This would cause religions that disagreed with the state religion to be treated as criminals.
The founders of the United States decided that it was a violation of the natural rights that God gave human beings to force your religious beliefs on others by treating their expression of religion as criminal behavior. This caused the free expression of religious clause to be placed into the Constitution. A more specific application of the free expression of religion clause is that no one sincere in their religious beliefs wants to preach or support a religion that is not theirs, so this caused the non-establishment of religion.
Secularist came along and decided that government tolerance of religion is not good enough because religious people are not tolerant of others beliefs and they proceeded to force their belief that religion must be private unto the rest of the people. The atheist were overjoyed at this because they also could use the same basic ideal to force their religion unto others.
Everyone is doing this for the “good” of others. I embrace the religious tolerance ideal of morality that is legislated in the U.S. Constitution as agrees with the right to liberty ideal of the Constitution. It also allows people to attempt to convince others that their religion is the right choice. That means that atheist, Wicca, pagans, and other creeds get to practice their religion unless that practice harms themselves or any other living creature without a noble cause. You can respect the practitioner without respecting the religion they practice as God tells us to love the sinner but not the sin.
There are atheist that hold to the law love your neighbor as yourself. They will also hold to the ideal of natural law as it is based on the Christian law of love. In doing that they support the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution. Your disagreement with them is an issue of religious doctrine and not morality and as such is best handled by the evangelistic outreach of your chosen religion and not by the government.
Arthur Martin wrote:
The Church guides the People in the revealed Truth and the Will of God manifested in those Revelations. Laws were written and enforced based primarily upon the Commandments of God. Atheists are reversing that today much to the harm of the People. Atheism is the antithesis of religion because it is defined as not believing in God. Respecting atheism is an affront to God and the Declaration, thus to We the People.
There has always been a separation between church and state. The church handled the spiritual while the state handled temporal matters. They would have situations when a conflict of interests occurred such as when the states moves to discipline heretics. This would cause religions that disagreed with the state religion to be treated as criminals.
The founders of the United States decided that it was a violation of the natural rights that God gave human beings to force your religious beliefs on others by treating their expression of religion as criminal behavior. This caused the free expression of religious clause to be placed into the Constitution. A more specific application of the free expression of religion clause is that no one sincere in their religious beliefs wants to preach or support a religion that is not theirs, so this caused the non-establishment of religion.
Secularist came along and decided that government tolerance of religion is not good enough because religious people are not tolerant of others beliefs and they proceeded to force their belief that religion must be private unto the rest of the people. The atheist were overjoyed at this because they also could use the same basic ideal to force their religion unto others.
Everyone is doing this for the “good” of others. I embrace the religious tolerance ideal of morality that is legislated in the U.S. Constitution as agrees with the right to liberty ideal of the Constitution. It also allows people to attempt to convince others that their religion is the right choice. That means that atheist, Wicca, pagans, and other creeds get to practice their religion unless that practice harms themselves or any other living creature without a noble cause. You can respect the practitioner without respecting the religion they practice as God tells us to love the sinner but not the sin.
There are atheist that hold to the law love your neighbor as yourself. They will also hold to the ideal of natural law as it is based on the Christian law of love. In doing that they support the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution. Your disagreement with them is an issue of religious doctrine and not morality and as such is best handled by the evangelistic outreach of your chosen religion and not by the government.
posted by Kerwin | 10:10 PM
2 Comments:
Its true, because God would never dig a theocracy anyway. That is how the Crusades started. Let us not forget Waco.
I see the link between Wako and a theocracy because David Koresh was both the spiritual and temporal leader.
I am not sure about the Crusades since the Byzantine Empire asked for aid from the Roman Catholic Church who called for a crusade offering forgiveness of all sins for those who went on it. The leadership of the Crusades was still in non religious hands. You could look at the crusaders as a type of mercenary who took their payment in a different coin than gold. I do not believe the church even offered to pay for the Crusades.
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